Who is the father?

Who came first?  "Gardiner" (John) or "E.G. Gardiner"?  Let the old debates begin, I've got time....
I have finally uncovered the facts about who was the father and who was the son..  It goes against the old school theory but all is finally settled.

Here are the facts on Gardiner brand:
Ohio and Dodge Factory birds branded with just the last name of “Gardiner” are indeed John Gardiner’s birds and the ones with the "E.G. Gardiner" brand are his son's. John was born in Norwalk, Ohio in 1816 and ran the main bank (aka "The #1 Bank") there in Norwalk.

Ad from John Gardiner's bank, Feb 1842.

He passed away on April 14th, 1915 at the age of 99. If you talk to any of the Ohio dealers and collectors, they will tell you that  “E.G. Gardiner” was the father and the "Gardiner" only brands were his son's. This is absolutely
not the case.

I have located the 1880 Federal census that I scanned from the Sandusky library this past spring.  E.G. was the son of John's. The "G" mistaken as a "Y" in most of all of the known historical documentation, primarily due to the census person's handwriting, confused everyone even the Mormons in Utah! (took me over year to figure this out…) This is most likely why the Ohio folks are convinced about E.G.- they couldn't find anything out about him in the library.  John is 63 years old in 1880. Neat comparison - W.H. Harris who was the punter at Winous in 1860 would of been 26 - 30 years old in 1860, Gardiner was 43 at the same time.  Cool isn't it?